the handlebar will come in various sizes like the one for sale on their website right now.
frame is supporting FSA ACR (Aero Cable Routing) standard. This seem to be adapter by more than just FSA. So we can choose other stems and handlebars.
the 707 will be available also in a standard external/nternal cabling variant like the 505/696 with holes in down tube or head tube, that makes the frame complete open to any cockpit
shalke wrote:Is it me or the stack is very big? Tends to be a very aggressive position it seems for this geomery.
I also find the position a bit too aggressive for my personal liking, because the stack to reach is smaller than I'm looking for. I can't help but wonder if this would make a good flatbar frame for me though, particularly if I were to install a Redshift 100mm/30d stem.
I haven't seen anything on this thread for a while. Anyone out there with a CFR707? What have your experiences been? Trying to decide between this and the 696. I like the longer reach of this bike since it seems like it will be better on rough ground.
I think the 707 is a more modern geometry version of the 696. I've owned a 696 for 3 years. The 707 geometry is more progressive, with more out-front geometry similar to the BMC URS. I would just use a stem 10mm shorter than on my 696 to bring the reach back where I want.
In the size 54, the 707 should also be more stable on rough roads with the less steep head tube, but steer a little slower on road. For the size 56, the steering geometry is the same.
All sizes benefit from the longer front geometry, which makes room for larger tyres before toe overlap becomes an issue.
I'm just about to order one of the two. In a nutshell does the 707 and 696 handle the same tire width? which one has higher or lower standover height? can't seem to find anywhere. I can't wait to get one. I normally ride 56cm road bikes so I'm either a medium or possible a small with seat raised real high possibly?
The 707 has lower standovver. Compare the size medium in both here bikeinsights
I normally ride a 56cm road bike. I went with the Medium 696 with 110mm stem. I could have gone for the Large with a shorter stem. Since I ride this bike on the road a lot, I went for the smaller bike for more agility.
Also, I think I'm getting the 707 now due to multiple reasons. But now my next question is it states that it can handle 160/180 rotors? Is this due to beefed up front fork, width front fork or both? I have a query out to wing as we speak. I really would like a 180mm front rotor with 4 piston brakes if possible. Here is why, I do 2,000ft downhills in 10-30% stuff sometimes I have to go 5-10mph due to thick thick gravel and switchbacks so I'm really going to heat up these front rotors. When I started surfing all these mechanics are saying you can't do 180mm on front mount forks so not sure if that's true or not.
I just ordered a CFR707, size XL, external routing. I'm going to build it up with mechanical GRX 2x and two wheelsets - one for mixed gravel/pavement and one for rougher trails. The CFR696 thread is full of great information, so I'll document as much as possible here when I receive the frame and as I build it up.
I'm coming from a CFR696 size L and have just ordered the fully integrated version of CFR707 in size M in RAL9001. The smaller size allows me to get to a lower stack and keep the reach in line while continue to use a 100mm stem. I didn't get the integrated handle bar CGB02 as their current options are too wide for my liking icw the 100mm stem. So I'm going to be looking for a ACR / DCR compatible stem + handlebar or integrated cockpit in the market to complement the build.
Frame & fork should be painted mid-Oct, I will post the pics here.
I'm btw still on the lookout for an alternative integrated gravel handle bar.... I found this one which is part of the 2021 Scott addict but can't find it for sale anywhere. https://www.syncros.com/us/en/product/syncros-creston-ic-sl-x-380mm?article=2880870135221 and it probably costs almost as much as the entire frame + fork lol. Other combo options are mostly for road so without flare unfortunately.
Similar to other IC frames Carbonda made room for the cables to enter the frame by using a 1.5" OD bearing on the top of the headset as well, next to the bottom one.
After chatting with Adam I found out they are basically re-using the DCR system from Deda for this, so any of the following items should fit the frame: https://dedaelementi.com/series/vinci Again no flared handle bars in sight, but the Vinci stem looks like it can take any regular 31.8mm handle bar.
While my frame is getting shipped I'm continuing my quest for an IC flared handle bar like the https://www.enve.com/product/ses-ar-road-handlebar/ but then hopefully made from aluminium and priced more reasonable.
Thijsvanderwal wrote:I'm btw still on the lookout for an alternative integrated gravel handle bar....
While my frame is getting shipped I'm continuing my quest for an IC flared handle bar like the https://www.enve.com/product/ses-ar-road-handlebar/ but then hopefully made from aluminium and priced more reasonable.
I am in the same position. I don't like the FSA stems, and I don't like the Vision or Deda prices.
I would buy the Carbonda CGR02 if they made it 40cm wide with a 100mm stem. I don't buy into the extra wide handlebar trend, since I still ride my gravel bike.
I may forego the flare to get the width and length I want and buy the 40cm x 100mm Carbonda CHB1036.
In the meantime I received the Deda Vinci DCR stem & handlebar but the handlebar graphics are too bold for my liking and I really miss the flare, so returned it. The Vinci stem is huge and also printed but will probably keep it as it’s a 100% guaranteed good fit to the 707 fork & headset. I ordered the computer mount to go along with it that can also carry a gopro or light below and can probably be modified to take a quadlock phone mount instead quite easily.
For handlebars I’m considering the FSA K-Wing AGX (don’t really like the rise & graphics) and the Controltech Cougar (only 4deg flare).
In the meantime I managed to lay my hands on an FSA K-wing AGX carbon handlebar: 40cm, 115mm drop, 70mm reach and 12deg flare, identical to the Salsa Cowbell I currently ride, but lighter because carbon and with full internal cabling support. Also got the Deda Vinci IC stem with computer mount, quite a hefty unit but it fits my Quadlock mount very well and is mostly hidden by my iPhone when mounted.
The frame has arrived somewhere in Europe on Monday so I expect it to arrive anytime soon now.
I received my frame (XL, external routing) about a week ago. I'm about to start prepping it for painting.
My weight breakdown is below. For comparison, a Salsa Warbird frameset (with headset, axles, bolts, etc) comes in at 1871 grams, or 255 heavier. It's also about three times the price...
I’m just about to press the button on a 707 but would really like to see some pics of some fully built, so grateful if some can share pics or links?
I don’t want integrated bar/stem so may go for their carbon gravel bars though have seen a bit of chatter that they are tight as to get the shifter clamps on which makes me think they might have manufacturing tolerance issues. Anyone have experience or comments?
Final question do Carbona make frames for any of the big brands and do they conduct type or individual product testing? thanks
I'm just getting started on mine, so I can't help with the pictures.
I haven't seen the CFR707 used by any other brands, but I have found about a dozen companies selling the earlier CFR696. Vitus (Substance CR), Dolan (GXC), Planet X (On One Free Ranger), Obed (Boundary/Baseline/Borough), Bombtrack (Hook EXT-C), Ridley (Kanzo Adventure), and some smaller ones as well. That was part of what convinced me to get a Carbonda frame over the alternatives.
