wide tires and no toe overlap.

Which gravel bikes out on the market have clearance for at least some fatty 700x46mm tires but no toe overlap.I want something with the ability to clear at least 3 water bottles(New Mexico desert is brutal this time of year. Would also like fork and bento box mount. This would be my all day bike as I turn my carbon bike into my gravel road bike with those awesome Strada Bianca tires. Just got the largest size they make in 700 & wowza so goo. Aluminum frames are not for me but carbon and ti as is steel to a lesser extent.

This is an almost impossible question to answer.  It is dependent on a lot of variables like frame size, crank length, Q factor and shoe size/cleat placement.  In general longer reach frames and slack head tube angles will give you more toe clearance.  So you need to look for something that doesn’t have road bike like geometry.  

I don't ride clipped in, bike currently has a 165mm crankset on and i ride a medium at 5ft 6 on a good day. Some bike have raked out fork as one way to avoid that from what people have told me. I just want something to fit some comfortable Rene Herse 700x48mm goodness.

You can get a few mm by getting that Enve adventure fork and run it at 56mm offset and 170 or shorter cranks, but yeah there are tons of variables.

Years ago I ordered a Lynskey Backroad with custom dimensions, basically one size smaller than normal with the top tube extended 5 cm (about 2 inches).  I find it quite comfortable and there's no toe overlap with 45-622 tires and EUR 44 (USA 10) shoes.  If I were doing it over I'd also get the head tube about 2 cm shorter since my bar is already as low as I can get it with a 10 deg stem.

 

The custom dimensions added cost but I'm happy with the result.

Would a Cutthroat in size 52 or 54 have toe overlap of I am a size 11 womens shoe? I assume no since the slacker hta paired with a longer reach, but that's half a click too mountain bikey for my liking. I have no desire for gravel bike corrected for 100mm of travel. 40mm like my current model, yeah that's cool wit me.

https://www.theproscloset.com/products/7503717761216-salsa-cutthroat-c-grx-810-gravel-bike-2021-52cm?variant=43752648573120

 

That 52 looks awful tight.  I'd go with a 54 and shorter stem if you're between sizes.

 

Maybe a Nordest Albarda?  Link to steel but also comes in Ti

 

https://nordestcycles.com/en/product/albarda-2-frame

There are some newer gravel bikes, mostly for bikepacking, that have long front centers and slack head tube angles, like 69 deg. Start with what you like or is in your price range, then check the geometry. Lauf is one if you like carbon. The Knolly Cache is a Canadian steel bike (also comes in ti) that is stretched out. These are bikes that have long top tube and are designed for short stems. Bikepacking.com has tested several. You will get wheel flop tho.

 

 

"drop bar mtb" would be a good search. Anything racing/road oriented will have overlap

Realistically, without some dimensions about your personal fit, you are not going to be able to find a bike that meets these criteria by looking at geo charts as there are an almost infinite number of variables in-play.  A long top tube does not mean that the distance between the cranks and the front axle is also long as an example of what I'm trying to verbalize. And, assuming you were able to find something, in all likelihood it would be so close that were you to change shoes, pedals(different cleat position) or tires at some point, you could find yourself having overlap once again. Given that overlap really only comes into play when the bars are turned a pretty fair amount and hence when you are doing a u-turn or something similar, you might consider if such an uncommon annoyance is really worth the priority you are placing on it in terms of selecting a new bike..

 

Just the well meaning $.02 of someone what has been at this for a long time..

That Knolly looks interesting. Is it heavy? I don't want carbon this round. Leaning lighter steel or Ti if I get my bonus. I think I want something between a drop bar mtb and a standard gravel bike like my Carbon Otso Waheela.It a hoot setup 29x2.2 Fleecer Ridge Endurance currently. I want to fit these tires with no toe overlap and some more clearance for the light mud we get in the winter.

Any steel frame that can resist the twisting and torque of trail riding will be heavier gauge than a steel road frame. And any steel frame that has clearance for your tires will be designed for that purpose, so you have a problem. For example, the Ritchey Outback (my bike) is listed with a frame weight of 2175 grams, and I've found that to be accurate. The Ritchey Ascent, intended for trail use, is listed as 2400. The Ultra, their hardtail, is 2570 (all weights size large).

 

There is a reason the Salsa Cutthroat is so popular - light (because it's carbon), good tire clearance, no toe overlap (I think). More and more riders are going to titanium because of their durability and lighter weight, but they're pricey. The best deals are Lynskey and Litespeed.

Two frames I've been looking at recently are the Landyachtz AB-ST steel, and the Curve Big Kev ti.    

What I like about them is the fairly short rear end for tyre clearance (am on a 433mm rear atm). 

AB-ST takes a 29x2.2. Curve a 2.35, with a 415mm 2.4 fork.  

 

Both have a long front-to-center. Curve with the steeper hta, which is my preference.  

S size Curve weighs 1770gm. Fork 560gm.  

Would like my next frame to clear a 2.35 rear. 2.4+ fork.    

Have also considered getting a lightweight steel frame made, to go with the Curve fork. 

Am 59kg, and often think about using the ReneHerse Superlight Keisei tubesets; if they'd be too flexy on a bike like this. 

Oh those look wonderuful, but landyatchz is not available in my size. It does fit 2.25 which is perfect for the Fleecer Ridge with enough debris clearance that I currently lack.

Wait is that Knolly and Landyachtz model using the same carbon fork?

Defo is. Same fork I spotted on another frame the other day. Thought I might be able to find it direct from china perhaps, as it's being used by some brands now, but no luck. 

 

It clears a 2.2, but things start getting tight at the top on anything larger. Think that's due to the 405atc. Whereas the Curve is 415mm. 

 

This fork is the only one I've come across that takes a 2.4 no probs; not being one of those approx480 susp corrected options. 

 

Knolly rear only a 50mm on that latest frame. 

 

Curve takes a 2x 50/33 also. Smallest inner ring, a possible 28t min due to yoke position.

50mm is no go for me as i like my FR tires. So the curve can do a 42/28 double setup?

A 104/64 would see the 64 being too small to clear the 53mm outer diameter shell face. ???/80bcd would clear. 

 

How close a chain (on a 28t, in the smallest cog) gets to the yoke bottom edge also depends on the rear d. cage length. Noting also the rear derailleur cable housing runs along the yoke bottom, so you'd have to take the housing diameter(depth) into account also ( distance to chain).  

 

Knolly/Landyachtz -and others- fork:-  https://www.speedercycling.com/Carbon-Adventure-Bikepacking-Disc-Fork-SC-ADV09-_p375.html

So can it? I see there is a Pipedream Alice how is that with the Fleecers?

Alice has a 450mm+ chainstay and a 69deg hta. 

 

Send an email to the workshop/mechanic? email that Curve has on their site. 

Ask if the person can send you a bb/chainstay graphic with a 28t ring and chain. You will be able to see how far off the yoke lower the chain sits on a certain rear derailleur they use for the graphic spec. When using a different r.d., you'd have to compare its length to that used in the drawing.

Again, the 28t would have to be something like an 80bcd model [on a 2x bcd], so the small ring clears the 53mm dia. bb shell at install. 

450mm is that long? Trail is a hair high but I think fixable with another fork.