Chinese Carbon Gravel Build - Carbonda

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thebionicman
6 posts
#41Mar 2, 2017, 11:58 AM
Does anyone have this frame? http://www.ebay.com/itm/700C-Carbon-Gravel-Bike-Frame-12-142-Disc-Brake-Flat-Mount-for-700C-40C-/152424772780?hash=item237d3974ac:gJsAAOSwo4pYM-Di

This sure looks like the On-one Space Chicken.
http://www.on-one.co.uk/c/q/bikes/gravel-adventure-bikes/space-chicken
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platypus
13 posts
#42Mar 2, 2017, 11:59 AM
20$ for the extra bottle mount. 70 or 75$ the paint job (I would have to look it up again to be exact).
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DrSpoke
272 posts
#43Mar 2, 2017, 3:50 PM
thebionicman wrote:Does anyone have this frame? http://www.ebay.com/itm/700C-Carbon-Gravel-Bike-Frame-12-142-Disc-Brake-Flat-Mount-for-700C-40C-/152424772780?hash=item237d3974ac:gJsAAOSwo4pYM-Di

This sure looks like the On-one Space Chicken.
http://www.on-one.co.uk/c/q/bikes/gravel-adventure-bikes/space-chicken

Both are similar to the Open U.P. with the eBay bike a virtual copy. You can find a much better price on the eBay bike by going direct to Workswell - the WCB=R-125. Chris (Christina) has been very helpful to me so far.
http://www.workswellbikes.com/web/view/237.html
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DrSpoke
272 posts
#44Mar 2, 2017, 3:51 PM
elorablue wrote:I like the paint job. I'm ordering mine unpainted as I plan to plastidip some areas white. How much did they charge for the extra bottle mounts? I want BSA threaded BB, how long did he say it would take to change the BB ?

I like the paint too.

Is this the Carbonda CFR505?
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GHC
169 posts
#45Mar 2, 2017, 4:54 PMedited
Does anyone know if the Carbonda has clearance for a Ultegra 6800 50/34 crankset?

Can anyone recommend the correct Carbonda frame for a 6-1 guy.

(fwiw...I don't think the workswell frame that has infiltrated this carbonda thread has clearance for the compact...but I could be wrong...maybe someone knows if the chain will rub?)
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DarKris
83 posts
#46Mar 2, 2017, 7:32 PM
thebionicman wrote:Does anyone have this frame? http://www.ebay.com/itm/700C-Carbon-Gravel-Bike-Frame-12-142-Disc-Brake-Flat-Mount-for-700C-40C-/152424772780?hash=item237d3974ac:gJsAAOSwo4pYM-Di

This sure looks like the On-one Space Chicken.
http://www.on-one.co.uk/c/q/bikes/gravel-adventure-bikes/space-chicken

the On-One can only clear a 47 like the Carbonda, and it can only run 1x as there is no derailleur mount in the front.
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platypus
13 posts
#47Mar 2, 2017, 10:25 PM
Good morning Elorablue. Adam said that it would take 2 month for a BSA bracket. With the BB86 as advertised 3 weeks.
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platypus
13 posts
#48Mar 2, 2017, 10:28 PM
Good morning Dr. Spoke (senior member). Yes, it it s the CFR505 from Carbonda. (you can still lightly see the billfish labels which I shall not have on the frame)
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elorablue
12 posts
#49Mar 2, 2017, 11:08 PM
Something's fishy".....
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massitesi
24 posts
#50Mar 3, 2017, 3:08 AM
to the ones looking on ebay : you d better contact the seller via alibaba.com and save money. Carbonda gravel is an original design made by the company , the other one , that has got same sizing of open up, is produced by three different companies ( like chinese usually do ),and is explicitly a copy of open up, as declared by a seller from Anglesport ( one of the producer mentioned above ).another company is workswell, i don t remember the name of the third one , but i will post picture of it if i will find it again. \nprice on alibaba.com are different , maybe because of the lower commision.below is how they asked me at Anglesport. \n \nThe price for the frameset is USD488, USD80 for shipping cost and USD25 for paypal charges. So the total is USD593. \n \nI think that billfish is just another name for carbonda , sometimes they use different name on a different trading site. \n \nAdam at carbonda is very professional . \n \nalso : the seat tube of the open up like is not very common .
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massitesi
24 posts
#51Mar 3, 2017, 3:24 AM
this is another good frame , i have a couple of wheelset from yihusun and they are very good. \nthe frame is about 500$. \n
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elorablue
12 posts
#52Mar 3, 2017, 9:45 AM
@GHC
Does anyone know if the Carbonda has clearance for a Ultegra 6800 50/34 crankset?

Can anyone recommend the correct Carbonda frame for a 6-1 guy.

(fwiw...I don't think the workswell frame that has infiltrated this carbonda thread has clearance for the compact...but I could be wrong...maybe someone knows if the chain will rub?)

The Carbonda will definitely take a double compact chainset. The UP copy, I don't know. The OnOne version says single front chainring only.

I'm 190cm (6'3") and will be ordering the 60cm frame. You'd probably be fine withe the 57cm.
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DrSpoke
272 posts
#53Mar 3, 2017, 11:02 AM
platypus wrote:Good morning Dr. Spoke (senior member). Yes, it it s the CFR505 from Carbonda. (you can still lightly see the billfish labels which I shall not have on the frame)

Thanks platypus. One more - what/where is the extra bottle mount? I couldn't tell from the photo. Do you think they could put a set on the top tube ala the U.P. Ok, two more. Any comments on build quality of the frameset?

I've got the BB86 on a couple of bikes - one mtn and one gravel. Both have been trouble free with the mtn bike over 3 years.

I'm leaning toward the Carbonda. I like the geometry better though wish it could fit wider 650b tires. But I've run 40 mm tires on 700c and like them. So if I can find an off-road tire in 45 mm or bigger that will work. And I like the use of a standard seat post. The Vroomen chain stay design allows a wider tire but I'm uncomfortable with the copy even though it's not being marketed as a counterfeit. Just have to pick a color and perhaps a 2 color design.
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illskittlz
23 posts
#54Mar 3, 2017, 12:25 PM
DrSpoke wrote:

Thanks platypus. One more - what/where is the extra bottle mount? I couldn't tell from the photo. Do you think they could put a set on the top tube ala the U.P. Ok, two more. Any comments on build quality of the frameset?

I've got the BB86 on a couple of bikes - one mtn and one gravel. Both have been trouble free with the mtn bike over 3 years.

I'm leaning toward the Carbonda. I like the geometry better though wish it could fit wider 650b tires. But I've run 40 mm tires on 700c and like them. So if I can find an off-road tire in 45 mm or bigger that will work. And I like the use of a standard seat post. The Vroomen chain stay design allows a wider tire but I'm uncomfortable with the copy even though it's not being marketed as a counterfeit. Just have to pick a color and perhaps a 2 color design.

I would like to find an off road or mtn tire that will fit the Carbonda frame. 45-48mm off road tire would be great.
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platypus
13 posts
#55Mar 3, 2017, 2:04 PM
Hi DrSpoke

The pic I posted was just for the colour scheme. Adam coloured in the generic picture. My frame has not arrived yet but should be here with me in Europe mid-April. So I cannot comment on the build quality just yet. I shall when it has arrived. It is an expermiment for me too, and I decided to take the risk, if it is one.

So as it is a generic pic, the bottle mount cannot be seen. I just asked for it to be the same like on the genesis datum: http://www.genesisbikes.co.uk/bikes/adventure/frames/datum-frameset. I asked Adam whether it might be an issue re stability of the frame, drilling an extra two holes in the down-tube. He said, it should not and I believe him as the downtubes are usually the thickest. So as for the top tube, I don't know but presumably you could set smaller screws also? You can tell I am no expert. I shall submit close-up pics in this forum when the frame is here.

So 47mm/650b are not wide enough for you? But you're right. It seems a challenge to find that variety in 650b. And thank you for the feedback re BB86. I think they're great and actually aesthetically more pleasing. Just installing them will be the challenge.
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illskittlz
23 posts
#56Mar 3, 2017, 6:47 PM
platypus wrote:

So 47mm/650b are not wide enough for you? But you're right. It seems a challenge to find that variety in 650b. And thank you for the feedback re BB86. I think they're great and actually aesthetically more pleasing. Just installing them will be the challenge.

Not sure if you were replying to me regarding the 47mm not being wide enough. I think it is wide enough, but i just have not found any treaded tires in that size. The 47mm WTB Horizon tires are like slicks. If there was a 47mm gravel tread or mtn tread that'd be nice.
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owly
328 posts
#57Mar 3, 2017, 10:32 PM
illskittlz wrote:

Not sure if you were replying to me regarding the 47mm not being wide enough. I think it is wide enough, but i just have not found any treaded tires in that size. The 47mm WTB Horizon tires are like slicks. If there was a 47mm gravel tread or mtn tread that'd be nice.

Terrene Elwood 650x47
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Smale Rider
84 posts
#58Mar 4, 2017, 12:03 AM
More 650b on the way https://www.bikerumor.com/2017/03/02/fb17-clement-expands-650b-adding-number-new-sizes/
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DarKris
83 posts
#59Mar 4, 2017, 8:28 AMedited
Smale Rider wrote:More 650b on the way https://www.bikerumor.com/2017/03/02/fb17-clement-expands-650b-adding-number-new-sizes/[/QUOTE]

Unless the Carbonda has clearance for a 2in. 27.5 wheel (which from the sound of it it doesn't) the only options are the 42s which are narrower than the WTBs. The Elwoods are basically the only semi-slick gravel tire that will accommodate the 47 road plus category.
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DrSpoke
272 posts
#60Mar 6, 2017, 4:11 PMedited
platypus wrote:Hi DrSpoke

The pic I posted was just for the colour scheme. Adam coloured in the generic picture. My frame has not arrived yet but should be here with me in Europe mid-April. So I cannot comment on the build quality just yet. I shall when it has arrived. It is an expermiment for me too, and I decided to take the risk, if it is one.

So as it is a generic pic, the bottle mount cannot be seen. I just asked for it to be the same like on the genesis datum: http://www.genesisbikes.co.uk/bikes/adventure/frames/datum-frameset. I asked Adam whether it might be an issue re stability of the frame, drilling an extra two holes in the down-tube. He said, it should not and I believe him as the downtubes are usually the thickest. So as for the top tube, I don't know but presumably you could set smaller screws also? You can tell I am no expert. I shall submit close-up pics in this forum when the frame is here.

So 47mm/650b are not wide enough for you? But you're right. It seems a challenge to find that variety in 650b. And thank you for the feedback re BB86. I think they're great and actually aesthetically more pleasing. Just installing them will be the challenge.

Thanks platypus. I've got the mounts for the 3rd bottle cage on my Niner. I don't use them now but think it would be useful for bikepacking.

47mm is likely wide enough but more is always good. I was just comparing it to the 2.1" on the U.P. We do have areas of soft, deep sand around here where wider could be useful. I like riding singletrack too. And, as noted, there aren't many knobby tires currently available in that width.

Wheels Manufacturing has a very nice consumer level tool for installing a BB86 as well as other common bottom bracket sizes.
http://wheelsmfg.com/presses-tools/universal-bottom-bracket-press.html
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