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So this subject has probably been done to death a thousand times but...I'm wrestling with it and wanted some advice from people who might've been through the same. I live in London (UK) and I commute to work by bike (think shitty roads) and in June I got hooked on cycling for the first time in my life (43). I started to get fit and have done a 100 mile solo road ride, a lot of 80-90k mixed surface rides and have recently joined a triathlon club (I doubt I'll ever race because I have a metal reinforced femur that stops me running but the group rides are a lot of fun). Anyway - i'm relatively new to cycling but i've learned a lot about bikes over the summer. I ride a 2016 Cannondale CAADX 105 and I have just bought a second set of wheels for it (I replaced the stock wheels with Hunt 4 Season Gravels with 38mm Schwalbe G-One Allrounds a couple of months ago - really great allrounders...obvs) and for road use (Mason X Hunt 4 Season with Schwalbe Pro One - crikey they are A LOT faster on road). My bike is pretty good - the 105 groupset works just fine and the mech disc brakes are OK. However, I am starting to think about upgrading my bike for more stiffness (I rode a Reilly Gradient and it made my bike feel like it was made of rubber by comparison), better ride and more speed. The problem is that although the majority of my riding is road, I love being able to blast around on gravel and single track, hence having two sets of wheels and tyres now.
I live in an apartment in London and whilst I could store two bikes and buy a dedicated road/endurance bike to add to my CAADX, I figured that a really good gravel bike with my road wheels on might be fast enough and fun enough to allow me to keep up with my club rides on road but give me the capability of doing gravel events (I'd love to do the DK200 one day) too. I bought a set of Apidura bike packing bags and although I haven't had time to do much I'm hoping to do more trips in future.
I want a durable bike but one that's light and will last me a long time. My search led me to titanium and my shortlist is currently:
Litespeed Ultimate Gravel
Reilly Gradient
But...i've also thought of a Specialized Diverge, 3T Exploro (too much money for a carbon frame that i might damage so not really a serious contender), ie something carbon but not to spendy.
I've got decent bars, seat, seat post, good enough wheels and the 105 groupset is fine but one day i've like to go Di2, so the plan would be to buy a frameset and transfer all my parts across.
I'd like clearance for ~45mm tyres, internal cable routing, Di2 compatible, flexible geometry that will be comfortable for long road and gravel rides but ideally lets me get into a semi-decent aero position for faster road rides, flat mount brakes, bottle cage mounts beneath downtime (u can get them added to the Ultimate), as light as possible. If the Litespeed was a bit less money i think it would be a no brainer for me - the 'suspension' chain stays, somewhat aero frame (I'm a bit dubious about the real world advantage but it looks beautiful), internal cable routing, great tyre clearance, lightish weight (~1300g frame) - they all fit the bill.
A mate of mine who does Ironman events and has 11 bikes (9 his 2 his girl's) says I should stick with my CAADX and maybe think about getting a dedicated road bike next spring/summer but I can't quite let go of the one bike quiver idea - hence the post. If i bought a roadie then I'd want to pimp it with Di2 and ... jeez, I dunno, it's all complex!
What's the ultimate road/gravel bike that's durable, light and not too horrifically expensive??
That Litespeed is a pretty good weight but its crazy expensive for a frameset
Even so, with what you described I'd go a ti frame. Personally I'd stick with a UK builder/seller which should drop that frame price by at least a grand (or two!). There are a few out there.
Perhaps custom could also be an option through someone like Burls who do a fairly nice priced ti frameset.
I do a lot of sealed road riding on my own bike, though its mostly to get to the gravel/singletrack/etc. and back.
Built it up fairly light (16.5lbs with 48mm: I could get to 16 with a bit of tweaking). The carbon roadie is in a dark closet!
My preference would be one each of a 650b and 700c wheelset.
Edit: I forgot to mention, the Litespeed spec for that frame says it only fits a 40mm.
owly wrote:That Litespeed is a pretty good weight but its crazy expensive for a frameset
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Even so, with what you described I'd go a ti frame. Personally I'd stick with a UK builder/seller which should drop that frame price by at least a grand (or two!). There are a few out there.Perhaps custom could also be an option through someone like Burls who do a fairly nice priced ti frameset.
I do a lot of sealed road riding on my own bike, though its mostly to get to the gravel/singletrack/etc. and back.
Built it up fairly light (16.5lbs with 48mm: I could get to 16 with a bit of tweaking). The carbon roadie is in a dark closet!
My preference would be one each of a 650b and 700c wheelset.
Edit: I forgot to mention, the Litespeed spec for that frame says it only fits a 40mm.
Konass wrote:Haven't seen talk of this bike on this board. It looks versatile. https://www.ribblecycles.co.uk/ribble-cgr-sl/
Jimbop wrote:What's the ultimate road/gravel bike that's durable, light and not too horrifically expensive??
personal opinion but i'd go with the Gradient, ok it may not be as quick as a pure roadie but it looks great, no silly standards, threaded bb, titanium, lifetime warranty....whats not to like?
Reilly also do a model called spectre which is more road orientated but can take 35mm tyres i believe if you want a bit more of a roady.
The gradient is on my list as soon as i have the funds and I don't expect to be using my other bikes much when i get it.
If you want slightly lighter and carbon I would look at a giant tcx advanced, got all the bits (internal cabling, flat mount brakes, thru axles etc) but a push fit bb and a proprietary seatpost, however having one of the alloy ones a few years ago its a great do it all bike. I haven't ridden the carbon ones but I would expect it to be fairly light and 95% as quick as a pure road bike with the right wheels and skinny tyres on. The only thing i don't like is the paint jobs, wish they would do the blue one from a few years back....
Jimbop wrote:
Thanks so much for the reply! What are you riding and what components enabled you to get to that crazy light weight?!?! Great idea to contact Burls - i have just emailed him. Also found a company in China called Waltly and popped them a quote request based on the Ultimate Gravel. I'd love the Litespeed but it's so expensive for a frameset and the USD/GBP exchange rate means that US made bikes just aren't cheap like they used to be.
The Litespeed website is incorrect and i've been meaning to email them about it - it can definitely fit 700x45 and 650x2.1"
I'm tempted to get 650b wheels but researching it suggests that almost no-one rides them for endurance gravel events such as the DK200, which is my long term dream event i'd like to get tough enough to complete. Any idea why that might be?
1x. Red/XO/Juin Tech/fairly lightweight carbon bits and wheels.
Waltly is also a good idea.
I'd agree that 700c is best for events, as the 650b do roll slower. Though I do like the size of a knobby 650b x 2.1/2.2 when casually riding rockier trails.
For a carbon frame that CGRsl looks pretty fine!
chunkylover53 wrote:It will tough to get a ti bike with all your requirements without going custom - I’ve been looking for something similar.. I know Turner is coming out with a ti version of the cyclosis. Why cycles ti frame also checks some of your boxes. Also Curve cycles out of Oz.. I wouldn’t give up on carbon. The Giant recommendation was good. There’s also the Ibis Hakka mx; and the Kona Libre sounds like it has everything you’re looking for.
Jimbop wrote:
Thanks so much for the reply! What are you riding and what components enabled you to get to that crazy light weight?!?!
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I'm tempted to get 650b wheels but researching it suggests that almost no-one rides them for endurance gravel events such as the DK200, which is my long term dream event i'd like to get tough enough to complete. Any idea why that might be?
thefuzzycow wrote:Just do it! I didn’t want to go with an Exploro for the same reasons. But that’s what they make helicopter tape/frame skins for. Put on some heli tape and protect the frame. I couldn’t be happier with my Exploro! Best of both worlds. Fit my road 700x26 wheelset, 700x33-42 gravel and then up to 650x2.1” mtb tires. That’s why I love this bike. Most others can only for up to 45/47mm at 650. That’s still agood chunk, but that little extra really makes a difference if you want to ride it on the trail. I like riding mine at some of the more tame XC races because I can pick up time on the two track fire roads, no jumps but can still maneuver on the singletrack. Theres plenty of awesome bikes out there. Just a little $0.02 on why I went Exploro. Like I said, I was in the same position you were before I decided. And for what it’s worth, the previous year model, white and red frame, shops are trying to get rid of. So you could possibly find one for a killer deal! Best of luck! Cheers!
panhndl wrote:I would look at Lynskey. They have several models that could do what you want and for a TI bike, they are very competitively priced. I have the GR260 and love it. Everything is on sale and Lynskey will ship anywhere.
https://lynskeyperformance.com/
Jimbop wrote:So I think that the 3T Exploro is perhaps a great solution. Fast on and off road. Light. But...expensive. I'm going to compare the geometry to the Ribble CGR SL that someone kindly highlighted. It could be that it would give me quite a lot of the Exploro's performance but for a lot less money. I pinged Ribble and they are releasing it as a frameset in around November and reviews should be coming out around then too. If it doesn't get rave reviews then i'll try to test ride an Exploro and start saving my pennies.
Jimbop wrote:
They are very good looking machines. Is it nice and compliant? Any idea what the frame weighs? If it had internal cable routing and an extra cage mount under the down tube it would be perfect. I'm gonna fire them a mail so see if they could customise.