NO more dirty Kanza Transfers?

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surfnjmatt
10 posts
#1Nov 16, 2019, 9:10 AM
It looks like no more transfers for 2020?? Is this correct?
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SReynolds
5 posts
#2Nov 16, 2019, 9:38 PM
Correct - https://dirtykanza.com/dk200-dk100-dk50-dk25/
"Event registrations may not be transferred to another individual."

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catbackr
2 posts
#3Nov 17, 2019, 8:17 AM
Figured stuff like this would start happening after they sold it.
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nellborg
142 posts
#4Nov 17, 2019, 11:36 AM
I don't understand why this policy isn't a good idea. It means that there will be or should be fewer people entering the lottery now, right? And, only those who have the highest likelihood of going will enter the lottery, and then those cyclists will know that they will be racing DK from the get-go and can plan accordingly.

If transferring event registrations is allowed, I could get my brothers, sisters, friends, etc. to enter the lottery just so that it increases my odds of getting in, right? If a few of us got in, we'd just transfer those registrations to someone else and get out money back, right? Or, I might enter the lottery even if, for whatever reason, there was only a 1 in 100 chance that I'd really end up going, but it might be fun just to see if I could get in or not... (I'm assuming that, in the past years, if you transferred your registration then you got your money or most of it back).

I think the policy is ok. But, I'm not making a comment about the new event owners because I don't know enough about them to have an opinion about it - other than the registration fee, which looks kind of high at $240 for the 200. But, I have no idea what event costs are, so is it a rip-off? I honestly don't know. This past summer, I did the 213 mile Michigan Coast to Coast, fantastic course and well run, but it was about the same price, too. Completing the event was worth the price to me, but again, I have no idea if it was a 'fair' price or not.
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reubenc
80 posts
#5Nov 18, 2019, 2:33 PM
nellborg wrote:I'm assuming that, in the past years, if you transferred your registration then you got your money or most of it back

Anecdotal evidence suggests that one could get make a profit on selling a lottery entry. I'm in favor of this change since I haven't been successful at winning an entry since they've gone to the lottery system. I agree that the price seems high, but if demand is so high that a lottery is needed, then the price is theoretically too low.
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SReynolds
5 posts
#6Nov 18, 2019, 5:47 PMedited
I like the change.

I would prefer that a rider could get some decent % of their money back by dropping out, and the slot be offered to the next person on the wait list.(Maybe they'll do so in the case of deferments?) Cutting off person-to-person reselling seems like a good change to me.
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sidewinder
28 posts
#7Nov 19, 2019, 11:42 AMedited
From
2019 Dirty Kanza Event Entry Transfer Procedure:
- Once the transfer has been completed, a refund will be issued to the original owner of the event entry for the original cost minus a $30 processing fee.
I raced last year because a lottery winner could not ride DK. He selected my name from this forum, and asked if I was interested. I did no know him. No profiteering, no bribes, no dishonesty. We followed the established procedures. He was refunded minus the processing fee, I was charged the standard event entry fee. I am disappointed that there will be good riders staying home while race day rolls out with vacancies. I feel that the grassroots riders of gravel racing are being edged out by deep pockets, pro teams, and promoter greed.
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reubenc
80 posts
#8Nov 19, 2019, 2:16 PM
sidewinder wrote:From
2019 Dirty Kanza Event Entry Transfer Procedure:
- Once the transfer has been completed, a refund will be issued to the original owner of the event entry for the original cost minus a $30 processing fee.
I raced last year because a lottery winner could not ride DK. He selected my name from this forum, and asked if I was interested. I did no know him. No profiteering, no bribes, no dishonesty. We followed the established procedures. He was refunded minus the processing fee, I was charged the standard event entry fee. I am disappointed that there will be good riders staying home while race day rolls out with vacancies. I feel that the grassroots riders of gravel racing are being edged out by deep pockets, pro teams, and promoter greed.
Sure, and probably the majority of transfers happened this way, but I know of several cases over the years where the transfer was associated with extra money. When I got a transfer for the 100 in 2017, I paid the person the difference in money that she was getting back, but it would've been just as east for the person to want me to sweeten the deal or they'd choose someone else.
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Jeremy
8 posts
#9Nov 19, 2019, 2:17 PM
Disallowing transfers prevents me from even being able to enter. I’m military and while I’m usually free on race weekend occasionally things have come up that require my presence elsewhere. When that’s happened in the past I’ve always known I could transfer my registration and not be out a large amount of $$.
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sidewinder
28 posts
#10Nov 19, 2019, 3:19 PM
I see a trend emerging whereas we are concerned about the need for legitimate transfers and the prevention of profiteering by unscrupulous event entry holders. I ask that the race organizers listen to this forum and seriously consider developing the methodology to ensure that no entries go unused and that no individuals profit from the transfer of their event entry. I will register for the lottery. Maybe I will receive an event entry in the lottery. Post lottery the remaining registrations should go into a waiting list pool for event entry's when they become available. I would not be opposed to a proper handling fee. Mainly, I prefer to be honest and most definitely prefer to race May 30.
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Zurichman
1,526 posts
#11Nov 19, 2019, 6:34 PMedited
I have follow this forum for about 2 years now and also the DK race. From what I see at my end I think there were quite a few folks who entered the lottery with never thinking of riding the ride but instead wanting to make money off of selling their ticket. I would hope that they could do the transfers but with no gouging of that person trying to sale it to someone else. They could do this with wording that anybody that is selling a transfer couldn't sale it for more than face value. Just my thoughts.

Zman
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Spence5
6 posts
#12Nov 19, 2019, 6:59 PM
I wound up having to find a new home for my stepdad’s entry (was fortunate enough to get one myself). I ran a secondary lottery on here, and we only wanted the transfer fee covered...no more no less. People definitely tried to sweeten the pot and there were definitely some people trying to win and resell for more money. That said, I had a lot of people compliment the way I handled it. Just wanted to give a fair shake to folks who wanted to ride. I think they should essentially do this...have a secondary lottery on the transfer cut off date. If you win, pay the fee and the transfer. Pretty simple, stupid, and fair. The event is getting expensive enough that we shouldn’t work against ourselves as riders. On the flip side, the organizers should be as transparent and equitable as possible. That is my two cents--likely worth far less.
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Zurichman
1,526 posts
#13Nov 19, 2019, 8:26 PM
If it was stated in the rules of the ride that no transfers could be sold for more than face value wouldn't that cover any issues of people trying to make money off their ticket to ride.

Zman
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DerekJ_MI
232 posts
#14Nov 29, 2019, 11:18 PM
Concerned about getting in? No problem, and don't bother with transfers. If you don't get chosen in the lottery and are a guy, become transgender and just register as a woman. You're guaranteed in! No up charge at all. They will not deny you. Lol!
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DerekJ_MI
232 posts
#15Nov 29, 2019, 11:42 PMedited
nellborg wrote:...
I think the policy is ok. But, I'm not making a comment about the new event owners because I don't know enough about them to have an opinion about it - other than the registration fee, which looks kind of high at $240 for the 200. But, I have no idea what event costs are, so is it a rip-off? I honestly don't know. This past summer, I did the 213 mile Michigan Coast to Coast, fantastic course and well run, but it was about the same price, too. Completing the event was worth the price to me, but again, I have no idea if it was a 'fair' price or not.
$240 is very high, for what you get, which isn't much. Michigan Mountain Mayhem is, if you want, just as long, is totally supported and very well run, but is 1/3 the cost. Why? How can that be? (hint, they are not in it for the profit). Michigan Coast to Coast is also imho an unnecessarily high cost event. Why? Well because people need/want to get paid. Make no mistake about it, the event sponsors of DK are making bank on these events. Lifetime Fitness knows this and that is why they bought it. And rides are popping up like crazy now because people see the money in it. That's great so long as people think it's worth the price they'll keep charging you. Don't like the price? OK, just about every gravel ride I know of are on public roads so ride them for free whenever you want.
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Zurichman
1,526 posts
#16Nov 30, 2019, 4:16 AM
DerekJ_MI

I have never heard of the Michigan Mountain Mayhem. Is it a gravel race or more of a mountain bike race? I am looking to do a ride in Michigan.

Thanks
Zman
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DerekJ_MI
232 posts
#17Dec 1, 2019, 11:30 AM
Zurichman wrote:DerekJ_MI

I have never heard of the Michigan Mountain Mayhem. Is it a gravel race or more of a mountain bike race? I am looking to do a ride in Michigan.

Thanks
Zman

Google the ride. They have a spring classic that is a back country paved road ride in northern MI. 4 routes to choose from and totally supported. They also do a fall gravel grinder and again several distances to choose from. If you are interested make sure you register for it the day registration opens as it sells out every year. Great time of the year to be in Northern MI!
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CasualGravel
51 posts
#18Dec 2, 2019, 11:37 AM
I got my DK transfer last year through this site, and I would not have been able to ride with my wife without it. That being said, there were a few people in the transfer thread that were offering to pay above and beyond the price of the transfer (essentially buying their way in). Transfer + Money, etc. That only encourages people to register for the race and sell.

I understand why they are not allowing transfers, because it seems like it is really easy to exploit. However, what happens now when someone wins the lottery in January and something happens where they can no longer attend? Is his/her spot just gone, or would they re-distribute it? It kind of sucks for everyone if it's not re-distributed. Maybe they could have a deadline for withdrawing (refund minus some kind of processing fee) and then a secondary lottery after that date for last-chance riders. That way they can eliminate the transfer hassle and still use those spots.
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Skldmark
164 posts
#19Dec 2, 2019, 11:56 AM
How do you arrange to get tickets for yourself and your partner- so you know both of you got in- not wanting to end up with just one spot.
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CasualGravel
51 posts
#20Dec 2, 2019, 12:00 PM
You can enter the lottery under a group name, but if the name is misspelled or has extra spaces or whatever, it can accept some members of a group and not others. So if your group name is "Gravel2020" and someone puts in "gravel 2020" they would not be a part of the group lottery. So if Gravel2020 is accepted, the person who put in "gravel 2020" would not be.

My circumstance was a little different, but either way, I still had to get a transfer.
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