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shiggy wrote:On open roads, I was taught you always pulled off to the left. Safer when you need to pause the rotation for traffic.
shiggy wrote:On open roads, I was taught you always pulled off to the left. Safer when you need to pause the rotation for traffic.
Same reason echelons are not a good idea outside racing.
The only exceptions to the above I have made are rides with 3-4 riders.
chas wrote:I'm kinda thinking you should keep the rotation the same, and that it should always be off to the left. Typically this leaves 2 rows, with the right side pulling through and the left dropping back.
Most of my hammer fests seem to be every man for himself, and if you get tired, you get passed.
The above rule does mess people up at the velodrome, where you always, always pull off up track to the right.
thegreatdelcamo wrote:
This may be common among general cyclists, but is not the way to go fast, nor race. The on line is NEVER to be in the wind. The only exception is a very, and I mean very, short segment when you can see that changing directions will again be required. In that case the rule to never have the on line in the wind is sometimes ignored. I teach people how to race. Hence this post in the racing forum.
thegreatdelcamo wrote:
Thanks for your opinion, but this is not debatable, and the debate folks apparently want to start is not responsive to my post. I’m asking for an animation or video that shows it done correctly.
Koyote wrote:
Seems like you want an animation or video that shows it done in your preferred manner.
From the looks of your first post, it seems like this was your first time with the group ride? If so, following up by sending the leader instructions might be a good way to make yourself persona non grata, unless someone has asked for your advice(?)
thegreatdelcamo wrote:
I once saw a video showing it done correctly. That’s what I’m looking for. The ride leader is a good friend he WANTS the video, because he knows they did it incorrectly. He was most embarrassed that his guys did not understand how to do it right. He and I discussed the fact that they way they did it, with the off line becoming the on line, was extremely dangerous AND boneheaded.
There is nothing better than a smooth rotation. It’s amazing how fast a group can go when working well together. I’ve ridden with several groups that know what they are doing and change rotation direction automatically when needed. However, I’ve only ever seen it done where, yes, the guy that just pulled through has to do it again. However this shouldn’t be a problem as the advancing line before the turn, eases up after the turn allowing the lead rider to move back over... As my posse has transitioned to mostly gravel, rotations are less frequent but still useful on the right kind of surface, where more than one line exists. I like the added complexity of gravel but those road skills still come in handy.
I have not found a video that describes how a rotation works...
thegreatdelcamo wrote:Yep, I’d found that. Thanks! Regrettably, it STILL does not show how to change direction. And that link is broken, btw. But I knew where it was.
paupeter wrote:I'd love to see this on gravel roads. Would be an entertaining race to watch.