Panaracer SK gravelking or Schwalbe g-one allround?

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chas
1,305 posts
#21May 29, 2019, 4:26 PM
@pushstart

X-one is cross (33-35mm)
G-one speed is basically a slick
G-One Allaround is the original with the tiny nubs (fantastic tire)
G-One bite has bigger nubs for bite and mud shedding

Yeah, the chart would be useful with some numbers, but I doubt they took that much care in measurement.

100% is probably 20 watts/tire.
Who knows what 80% is?
I"m kinda curious to what 0% in rolling resistance is. ;-)

I'll take a wild guess that 60% is 40 watts per tire - which is about what a non race mountain bike tires is (aka Maxxis Ravager).

Based on experience, 85% is about 25-30 watts per tire.

Yeah, I don't see how a resolute could be that fast. Maybe if you are in a straight line those big blocky blocks act more like a slick?

These tests don't measure cornering, and certainly a more slick tire keeps a lot more speed in corners when traction is good.
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jfranci3
126 posts
#22Jul 10, 2019, 1:57 PM
Schwalbe names the tires by the tread pattern, but a G-One Speed may be a completely different tire than a similar G-One Speed as they play with the construction. For example, they put the "v-guard" in the 30c tire, but not the 50c(?) tire. These will have different performance. They gave the same tread pattern as the allaround, which makes it difficult for the customer to visually understand. It is really difficult to buy these on sites like Amazon or even in person because there are so many detail differences in similar looking and named tires.
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NoCoGreg
512 posts
#23Jul 11, 2019, 3:33 PM
Panaracer GK (Not the GK-SK) 700x38c on the tandem has been less than wonderful.
- Rear tire down to the chords in about 900 miles of road riding
- Many (4? 5?) puncture flats. The soft rubber seemed to pickup glass which worked it's way through the (non)protective belts. The other flats were due to goatheads and metal slivers from tire treads left behind by trucks/trailers.

Yes the GK is supple and light but I need something more durable and flat resistant so I've switched over to the Continental 4-Season.

Wide rims (30mm external) make tires wider! The 38c GK's measured 43mm and the 32mm Conti's measure 36 mm. Add that to the inconsistency of how tires are spec'd. (700x28c Conti 4000s II measures 32mm while the Gatorskin measures 28mm)

When the Conti's wear out I'm going to try the G-One Speed.
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chas
1,305 posts
#24Jul 12, 2019, 8:12 AM
Good to know. Certainly tandems are brutal on tires. The 32mm 4 season is a good tire for that application – they wear well. You’ll probably get 500-1000 miles on a G-One speed though.

Its kind of hit or miss on tire sizing. I have 28mm Conti’s that are the same size as their 25mm tires and some that are the same as 32mm tires. I replaced my 4seasons with some 32mm GP5000s, and was surprised at how small the 5000s are in comparison
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NoCoGreg
512 posts
#25Jul 15, 2019, 3:34 PM
chas wrote:Its kind of hit or miss on tire sizing. I have 28mm Conti’s that are the same size as their 25mm tires and some that are the same as 32mm tires. I replaced my 4seasons with some 32mm GP5000s, and was surprised at how small the 5000s are in comparison

Thanks for the info Chas,

Could you check size of your 5000's and the rim width?

Does the G-One measure true to the spec'd width?

I expect the 4000s II will soon be discontinued. For my race bike I like a 28mm (ish) tire so I have the 700x25 4000s and that measures 28mm on a 26mm rim.

Life would be so much simpler if the manufacturers were consistent in their sizing!
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Koyote
288 posts
#26Jul 16, 2019, 12:45 PM
Someone asked about the WTB Riddler. I'm running this tire in the 37mm size on my new gravel bike. Good tires for mixed surfaces, but not enough volume for the gravel races around here (Western PA, Eastern OH), which often have extensive technical sections with mud, loose steep climbs, etc. Also, the rear is wearing pretty quickly -- doubt that I will get even 1,000 miles out of it. (By comparison, I have Terrene Elwoods on my other bike in the 40mm size, and after about 1,000 miles the rear tire looks almost new.)
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chas
1,305 posts
#27Jul 16, 2019, 3:54 PM
TonyM wrote:Which one do you prefer (38-40C) and why?

on my old bike, I couldn't put 40mm in the rear, so I got the 38 for the rear, and 40 for the front.

Other than that, there is no noticeable difference between the two.

I can psych myself out and say the 38mm is more aero in the front, or tell myself that the 40mm has more cushion in the front - but really its about frame rub.
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EBG18T
53 posts
#28Jun 8, 2020, 8:26 PMedited
Anyone care to opine on the Michelin Power Gravel to the G-One All Around to the MSO? In 700x40..
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abcspjbjd
39 posts
#29Jun 9, 2020, 9:10 PM
I cannot opine about the Michelin tires but have ridden both the G-One Allround and the MSO in 700x40. To me the MSO is way better than the Allround. The MSOs have better grip in the loose stuff and off camber ridges, roll faster on pavement and don't give you that "oh crap I'm about to hit the deck" feeling on chunky downhills. I'm running the Clement version with tubes that came stock on a Raleigh Willard. I've since put them on a set of Boyd CCC wheels on a different bike. When I wear these out, I'm buying more MSOs. I've also run 43 Gravelking SKs. I just did not feel the love that everyone else does with them. They did not inspire confidence on the rough stuff like the MSOs do. Plus they sling a lot of small gravel in your helmet and jersey pockets.
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EBG18T
53 posts
#30Jun 10, 2020, 6:09 AMedited
Thanks abc. I have limited gravel tire experience and my last 2 years have been on VeeRubber Rails (700x40) with Orange seal. They have been durable and worn well, but always felt a tad sluggish. I was getting them free, so I just used them..

The MSO seems to tick the boxes I want, but I keep reading how heavy they are. I’ve been running the new Michelin rubber on my trail bike and like the grip of the Gum-X rubber in the wet. That wet grip drew me to look at the Michelin Gravel options, but minimal people running them.

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