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DerekJ_MI wrote:I got to the chaise and it was covered with a tarp and no one was in or around the van. I was disappointed to say the least. We moved on.
We did that last 45 mile leg in the day light and yes it had a lot of sand at 3 pm. Each passing rider makes it all the more torn up. What I'm pissed off about is that the route description specifically stated that the route is all totally ride-able. Bull shit! I figure that between the lakes we had to wade through and the sand we had to hike-a-bike across (after falling!) I lost at least an hour but it seemed longer. Physiologically it kills you.
My rig is a Lynskey GR 250 with a Lauf fork. I ran 45 Riddlers and they were fine, for me. I did have to pump them up to 50 psi but I'm 6' and around 240 lbs. so for me it works.
Congrats for finishing. 18% of the 212 milers didn't.
DerekJ_MI wrote:I got to the chaise and it was covered with a tarp and no one was in or around the van. I was disappointed to say the least. We moved on.
We did that last 45 mile leg in the day light and yes it had a lot of sand at 3 pm. Each passing rider makes it all the more torn up. What I'm pissed off about is that the route description specifically stated that the route is all totally ride-able. Bull shit! I figure that between the lakes we had to wade through and the sand we had to hike-a-bike across (after falling!) I lost at least an hour but it seemed longer. Physiologically it kills you.
My rig is a Lynskey GR 250 with a Lauf fork. I ran 45 Riddlers and they were fine, for me. I did have to pump them up to 50 psi but I'm 6' and around 240 lbs. so for me it works.
Congrats for finishing. 18% of the 212 milers didn't.
JMosey wrote:I talked to both Mark and Matt as well and I told them I enjoyed the ride with the exceptions I've noted. This isn't their first kick at the can. They have over 30 events under their belt so I'm kind of not buying the "gee we didn't know" the conditions would be like they were. The flooded roads, that's OK, that was uncontrollable. But the quantity of hike-a-bike sand sections was frustrating especially since they explicitly state that the route is "100% rideable". It wasn't, and that's OK too as long as we're prepared for it. Now I suppose we are.
I spoke with Mark and they had no idea the course would change like that throughout the day... I don't think anyone did. It's one of those things you learn about during a first year event. I also asked him about the chaise and he said that Salsa reserves it for the longest distance at the five races, which is probably why it was covered when the 100 milers went through.
Hopefully my initial post didn't come off as too negative. I thought it went well, especially for an inaugural event with some complicated logistics. I'm hoping they make a few tweaks to the course and know that Mark is going to ride some of it this weekend to get an idea of what the conditions were like. I've already asked when I can sign up for next year... pushing it back a month will give us even more time to try and beat the sun!
Bikeguy wrote:Very True! But I signed up based on "their" description of what participants were to expect. 98% of the route mostly exceeded that expectation. The other 2% was somewhat frustrating. Mean what you say, say what you mean. That's all.
Nobody made you sign up, and nobody will force you to do it again...
DerekJ_MI wrote:Very True! But I signed up based on "their" description of what participants were to expect. 98% of the route mostly exceeded that expectation. The other 2% was somewhat frustrating. Mean what you say, say what you mean. That's all.
Zurichman wrote:You make good points. On the one hand being totally honest that the route will require hike-a-bike through water and sand comes with the potential to scare off riders. Not good for a first year event. But on the other hand if you describe the route as being totally rideable and it's not then you potentially risk scaring away future riders. It's a balance and I'm sure there will be some sorting out. Thinking more about the event and talking to my two friends who rode the 212 route I don't think they will change much. Well, maybe the statement about the route being 100% rideable will go away! Lol. And that probably is a good thing.
Derek_MI I actually believe that the organizer thought that the course was 100% able to ride when he set the course up. I can't imagine how much time it took to set up a 100 mile course and over a 200 mile course of gravel. I also thought that was some of the interest of the gravel riders, not knowing what tires to select and what the conditions would be like on race day. Look at the results of the Land Run 100 2 years ago and the Pairs to Ancaster ride in Canada. I tried to read all the ride reports and stories of rides that I have some interest in. Looking at Spotted Horse 150/200 in Iowa I believe run by Sarah Cooper a solo RAAM rider. She tried setting her course up to show off the best gravel riding in Iowa. She rode almost of the course as much as she could and kept doing updates. Last year the weather was so nasty she actually had to change the course on race day but didn't get it change before some riders went thru so adjusted some of their times. Not very many riders finished the 200 miler from what results I saw. So you never know what you are going to run into on race day.
Coming from PA. I would take 98% gravel any day of the week. You don't know how good you have it out there until you come and ride 50% gravel or so in a ride in Pa.
Zman
Great feedback. Glad I found this post. I was pretty interested in doing this, but wasn’t sure that I was up for a suffer fest like this (although I would have done it if I was single). Too bad, as after spending most of the winter in our new velodrome I was in pretty good shape this spring (for a change).
Seems to me that it would be hard to do a course like this (here) without a fair amount of sand and snowmobile trails. I can only imagine what the last 45 miles was lie. That and the Fall was crazy wet and cold this year. Still, Zman is right – we have it good in MI.
I agree. I also like to ride downwind – if we get a day with a good westerly wind, heading to the west coast would be a killer. A strong easterly wind is a rare thing. That and I always wonder in events like this (or Iceman) if I’m going too hard in the beginning to hit the hills and harder stuff at the end.
“It's too bad that there isn't a good finishing area on the east side of the State so we could ride west to east. Ludington is a nice town and perfect, but there isn't anything really like it on Lake Huron.”
I agree. I also like to ride downwind – if we get a day with a good westerly wind, heading to the west coast would be a killer. A strong easterly wind is a rare thing. That and I always wonder in events like this (or Iceman) if I’m going too hard in the beginning to hit the hills and harder stuff at the end.
> Final thought. I had a good time, but this was not really a gravel grinder. It felt more like an adventure ride at times. Which is OK because they do say that ("will not be known for its gravel, ironically, but for everything that’s NOT gravel – the forest roads, the two-tracks, the snowmobile trails"). So I guess it lived up to it's billing.
> So what did you think, those of you who rode it?
This post is way after the fact but I just found this forum.
I did the 100 mile race. It's a sizeable challenge for anyone and that includes me. I was still in recovery from five surgeries over fifteen months, the most recent being total replacement of my left and right knees. My body held up fine but I misestimated the pace I could sustain for 100 miles and bonked at 70. I rode all 100 but those last 30 were an exercise in character building.
I totally agree that the route was an adventure course bookended by a gravel road race. I actually liked it for that reason. I was able to ride about 80% of the water covered road and much of the sandy sections but was running mountain bike tires (Bontrager XR0 1.9s) and have an XC racing background. I have to say I did find it slightly humorous to ride past people who were walking their bikes while literally cursing the course and lamenting the lack of a reroute.
It's an expensive race. I don't know but would guess that most of the funds go to permits (start, finish, and Manistee National Forest) and insurance.
I'm glad I did but not sure I'll do it again next year given other races and events that i want to do.
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