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Slim wrote:Hi,
You mention a few things you don't like and things you'd want, but could you be more specific about the problems and what you are willing to give up?
You mention poor shifting, so obviously that is one issue.
You also write: "you are always looking for the right gear....no matter what the terrain is like.
You are either too High or too Low"
I take that to mean you find the jumps between cogs on the cassette to large? Or do you mean the you are always on the edge between the big and small chainring?
So, what we need from you to be able to give you good suggestions is the following three parameters:A 1x will always have bigger jumps or less range than a double, and a triple will give the widest gear range with the smallest jumps
- Lowest needed gear ratio
- highest needed gear ratio
- maximum cog jumps(%) in bottom part of cassette
- maximum cog jumps(%) in middle of cassette
- maximum cog jumps(%) in top part of cassette
ljsmith wrote:I think you have already figured out that a 46/30 crankset would be ideal for you. A 46 is more than enough gear for all but competitive racers. The 30 paired with a 40t rear cog should be plenty of climbing gear. If not, then you can look into something like the Shimano XT 11-46 cassette. You can use a Shimano cassette with an SRAM system. I would also see if you can locate a SRAM 10 speed long cage mountain rear derailleur (the 10 speed will work with 10 or 11 speed road shifters, an 11 speed mountain derailleur will NOT work). You can even get a Type 2 (with clutch) if you are concerned about chain drop. This will let you get rid of the road link and should clean up your shifting.
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drwelby wrote:I'm thinking something like a 26-39 mountain bike double crank with an 11-32 cassette. You can see the comparison here. You get tighter gear spacing and a lower low gear, and your new high gear would be just a little bit lower than your old second-highest gear.
Old Guy wrote:
I'm just wondering....if....the 39 Big ring would be big enough for the Flats?
I would drop a lot in speed with the 39.....don't you think?
Old Guy wrote:Ease up on the coffee there old timer.
Thanks to everyone that has replied so far.
I am leaning towards going with the 46 x 30 Crank.....and using my present 11 x 40 Cassette to go along with it.
One of our friends was asking me, what was it, that I did not like about the way that it was shifting, with the 50 x 34 Crank coupled with the 11 X 40 cassette?
I guess, me not being to technical, the best way to describe it is.....that it is has way to large a gap, between gears.
Its just messed up, to the point...that you are never ever comfortable in any one zone.
Like I was saying, the area that we live in.....is Elevation City.....we are always climbing something. you just can't avoid it, not that I want to.
So.....for those of you....who live in Table Top Flat type terrain, you might not be able to picture, what it is like, to be constantly changing gears......where ever we choose to ride to.
There is a very good reason that Road Bikes do not come stock with a 50 x 34 - 11 x 40 set up.
It really doesn't work very well.
It works....but....it is really sloppy, and not smooth at all.
When I am on my 34 ring.....my chain is dragging on the frame, when I am climbing....that's how sloppy it is.
I have absolutely No Interest at all, in an E Bike.
Thanks for the suggestion, but I'd rather Die first.....on my Trek, from pure stubborness, my male pride, and being way to Macho.... to ever ride any thing electric! lol
Thanks for the suggestion.....but....It's just not ever going to happen, not in this Life Time.....that is. lol
I can't believe, that the Bike companies have not clued in yet......that they could have a HUGE surge in Bike Sales, if they were to ever Wake Up, and realize.... that we are not all, the second coming of Lance Armstrong.
Hey....say what you want about Lance.....But Lance did a lot for this sport, and I Love the guy, regardless of what he did.
Ya.....he Doped ( Big Deal!)....."Everyone" was Doping back then....and he Won 7 TdF's in a row.
I am sure.....that each and everyone of them "Today" is doing something, to gain an advantage, and who can blame them?
Like come on?.......Who can Ride and RACE at that pace....Day in and Day Out....without being on something?
Its just Humanly impossible...to do....what they do!
Everyone Cheats.....and that is what I am looking to do.
I am wanting to Cheat age! lol
My point was......that if the Bike Companies were to finally realize, that there are a lot of Older guys and gals out there, who are now throwing away their Golf Clubs and exchanging them for a Bike, the companies might WAKE UP......and put some Huge gears on their Road Bikes and their Cross Bikes and their Gravel Bikes and their MTB's .....that would make us "all" look good and feel good... about getting out there, and climbing as many Steeps as we can find.....while keeping our BPM's down.
Funny how they can make these Huge Gears for the MTB's......but.....11 x 36 is as Big as it gets for our Road Bike's ......before running into problems, if you go any bigger like I did.
Like WTF are these companies thinking?
They aren't!
Sure......they come out with all the Gimmicks that we all Buy into.
We buy the Carbon Wheels....we buy the Clip In's ....we buy the Power Meters....we buy the Disc Brakes, we buy the E taps.....etc......WHY?
To look Cool, that's about it!
I want to just RIDE!!!!.......I'm done with looking Cool! lol
I want to ride up to some Groovy Roadies Coffee Shop.....with my Flat peddles .....my Cargo Shorts on ....and my MASSIVE Pie Plate sized 11 X 46 or "Bigger" Cassette on the back...and just watch their Faces...as they nudge one another .....as they point to my Old Guys....Climbing Road Bike!
I am sure, that Eddy Merckx must Laugh to himself, when he see's Alberto Contador and every one else on the Tours, using an 11 x 36 Cassette to get up the same Mountains...that he went up on his Steel bike with, using his 8 X 26 on the back of his old bike.
Things change.....for the Better, most of the time.
WHY should we have to SUFFER, on the Hills?
We are not Pro's!
We have No Sponsors!
We are not getting Paid to Suffer!
We have No Support Crew, carrying all of our Crap!
We all have to get up the next morning....and still go to work!
Grrrrrrrrrrrr WORK!!!!
I want to RIDE! I LOVE to RIDE!
But.....I am wanting to Ride.....without having to KILL myself in the process.
I want to just Ride and Spin the Peddles......UP Hills!
I Suffer enough in my Life, as it is........"Im Married!!! LOL
I am not Lance!
I am not Alberto!
I am not Froomie!
I'm just an OLD Guy....that just wants to RIDE, and Survive the Rides...while enjoying every second of the ride.
The Companies have to realize....that "I" am just ONE, of a Million such Riders out there.
Like come on.....how difficult is it.....to built gears, Cranks and Cassettes to suit us "NON Pro" Riders?
Just because we have lots of Gears.....does not mean....that we will use them all!
They are there.....just in case.
I guess, most Road Bike Riders are Posers, for the most part.
I'm one of them.
Is it really necessary to wear that Kit?
Is it really necessary to wear Clip In's?
Is it really necessary to SUFFER?
NO!
Is it really necessary to be forced to use the same small gears, and the same uncomfortable seats, as the Pro's do?
F%#K That!
We all do it, because we are ALL Posers!
The recent research shows, that Clips in's on Road Bikes or Clip In's on MTB's......do not help!
So......us Posers use them any ways! LOL
I'm Old and getting Older by the day!
I just want to Ride and enjoy it!
I think ......that the 46 X 30 11 Speed Crank with an 11 x 46 Cassette.....will do the Trick?
What do you think?
Is this going to work?
I do not want to go Triple......as that is not suited for an 11 Speed set up.
An E Bike.....is just never ever going to ever Happen......I'd rather Die First! lol
And going 1X, is not the answer either.
I am sure, that in the next year or two or more.....you will see the Pros on Massive Cassettes....its just a matter of time.
They are already on 36's, in some cases.
I tell ya......someone will figure it out......that the Rec Riders NEED HUGE Gears......to keep them in the Sport.
We are NOT Pros.
We should not have to Suffer!
If....you are wanting to really Suffer.....just get Married! LOL
Seriously......that is what Suffering, is all about! LOL
Thanks for all the good advice and Ideas!
Keep them coming!
We live in a Vertical world!
I need some Big Gears!
Thanks again for the Help.
drwelby wrote:
The 39x11 gear is just a little bit lower than your #2 gear at 50x13. So can you survive a ride without ever using your #1 50x11 gear? If so it will probably be fine. If you rarely ever use the #2 gear then you'll be OK. I'm not sure it will work, but you might be able to lock out the 11 tooth cog with the high limit screw and then you can go ride and see if you miss that gear.
If you look at the gear calculator the gap between to 50x11 and 50x13 is huge. At 90 rpm cadence you're looking a jump from 27mph to 33 mph, and that requires pro-level power. If you have long downhills you want to 'diesel' down then you'll probably have to do a bit more coasting.
You can find 28/42 mountain doubles which will give you a little higher gear but then you lose some low gear too. You can get it back with a bigger cassette, but everything bigger than an 11-32 is designed with mountain biking in mind with even gaps across the transmission range. Ideally with a road cassette you have smaller gaps at the higher range to match up with the bigger power jumps of increasing aerodynamic drag.
Old Guy wrote:The 50 x 34 Crank can not really handle the 11 x 40 cassette.
I think ......that the 46 X 30 11 Speed Crank with an 11 x 46 Cassette.....will do the Trick?
dangle wrote:
Well, yeah the 50x34 crank won't handle the 11x40 cassette. The Roadlink site and packaging very clearly say that a cassette tooth difference of 10 teeth is the max you can have when doing a 2x with an 11-40 cassette. .
bobknh wrote:
That's another good reason to run 46/36 up front. I have an 11-40 with a shimano medium cage der. on my Haanjo and 46/36 chain rings -- works very well with the Roadlink. Had to use every link in a new SRAM 11 speed chain to make it work though. the 36/11 had a bit too much chain slack --- but I never use that gear. I could shift to the 46/40 in a forgetful moment, another gear I usually don't use, with destroying the rear der.