According to a post on Bikerumor, Panaracer will have the Gravel King (Non-SK) in 700cx38. Sidewall lists it as 40-622 though. Love these tires in a 32 for road/dirt so i can imagine it would be ideal in 38.
Hutchinson Override 700x38\n\nSize: 700x38, about 39mm wide, about 400 grams each.\nTread pattern: minimal file tread pattern in the center, progressively larger file tread on the shoulder. \nConstruction: 127 tpi, flat protection included, tubeless\nPerformance on pavement is excellent, like most road bike tires\nPerformance on firm gravel is excellent with very good cornering grip on a hardpacked fine gravel\nPerformance on deep or soft gravel is acceptable, float and traction is sufficient due to the wide footprint and supple construction.\nDurability: good so far\nRide: super smooth and plush\n\nThe tire was eventually easy to install tubeless with a standard floor pump. I did pre-fit the tire using a tube and let it take shape at 80psi for 48 hours. This allowed the tire to seat quickly and hold air with 30 ml of sealant. \n\nThe Hutchinson Override is lightweight and very fast rolling. The Override helped me nearly produce the same kind of speeds I experience on my road bike on pavement with 700x25 Rubino Pro tires. Performance on a wide range of dry surfaces is excellent. Firm gravel, dry grass, dry single-track are all traveled with speed and confidence. Soft and rutted single-lane gravel roads require focus and skill, but can be covered quickly with sufficient traction. Wet gravel and pavement are acceptably easy to travel if the rider avoids any excessive banking during turns. I avoid wet earth and grass, it's not the right tire for those conditions.
Barlow pass normal might be decent, but not the lightweight. Got a sidewall puncture in 0 miles on an ice scraper in my trunk. Random debris in the road in less than 100 miles puncture. Had I been using tubes with them, I might not have even noticed such tiny punctures.
May be a little bit on the heavy side but.....Specialized Sawtooth is so good, why try anything else? Running mine tubeless on a Specialized Sequoia at 35 to 45 psi depending on conditions. They roll great, ride smooth and grip ok in dirt & gravel. \n\nWTB Nano in 700x40 is ok also. Roll well on pavement, ok on the trail. I found them to be fragile and fast wearing. Also seeped sealant like crazy!
GrvlRob wrote:May be a little bit on the heavy side but.....Specialized Sawtooth is so good, why try anything else? Running mine tubeless on a Specialized Sequoia at 35 to 45 psi depending on conditions. They roll great, ride smooth and grip ok in dirt & gravel. WTB Nano in 700x40 is ok also. Roll well on pavement, ok on the trail. I found them to be fragile and fast wearing. Also seeped sealant like crazy!
I like the Sawtooths, but I'm looking to see if there's something a bit lighter weight. I'm thinking of specifically for when I go on road rides. I want to have a reasonable comparison to my Roubaix, i.e. will I be able to go on long road rides and competently be able to keep up on my Diverge with, say, a set of Sawtooths, or do I need to keep the Roubaix and my 28c S-Works Turbos? A single Sawtooth tire weighs almost what a pair of the S-Works turbos weigh.
Barrettscv wrote:Hutchinson Override 700x38 Size: 700x38, about 39mm wide, about 400 grams each.
Very good write-up on a tire I've read nothing about. Looking at their website, I saw they have 3 tires, 2 35's and the 38. The 120 tpi 35 looks to be 350 gms, which would be even better for my 50/50 road gravel use. Combine that with a set of Gravel King 40's (43) and you have most surfaces covered.
Continental speed ride 42mm is not to be overlooked either. I ran them and they are smoking fast, straight line performance. Not any grip but with an ounce of skill it's ok. Good on pave and here in Midwest on cat 3-4 roads, not a flat. Actually faster than my current challenge gravel grinders 38 mm ghetto tubeless, which surprised me but not completely sold yet.
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\nThx for the info on hutch's override, I'm getting me some!
I rode the Sawtooths for about 700 miles, but felt they didn't really do anything particularly well. Not terrible, but the ride was a little harsh, traction left a lot to be desired on loose surfaces and sluggish on pavement. and yeah, the weight of those beasts.
Switched to Schwalbe G-one Evo 35mm and after 800 miles could not be happier. Very good traction on dirt, rolls smooth and fast on pavement and are supple and light weight. I've got them setup tubeless on American Classic Mountain Race wheels and they seem much wider than 35mm (they also come in 38) and hold air extremely well. I commute on them and they are holding up well for as much pavement as they have seen. I won't surprised to get > 2k miles on the rear. Best of all they are fast, no trouble holding my own with the roadies.
Barrettscv wrote:Hutchinson Override 700x38 Size: 700x38, about 39mm wide, about 400 grams each. Tread pattern: minimal file tread pattern in the center, progressively larger file tread on the shoulder. Construction: 127 tpi, flat protection included, tubeless Performance on pavement is excellent, like most road bike tires Performance on firm gravel is excellent with very good cornering grip on a hardpacked fine gravel Performance on deep or soft gravel is acceptable, float and traction is sufficient due to the wide footprint and supple construction. Durability: good so far Ride: super smooth and plush The tire was eventually easy to install tubeless with a standard floor pump. I did pre-fit the tire using a tube and let it take shape at 80psi for 48 hours. This allowed the tire to seat quickly and hold air with 30 ml of sealant. The Hutchinson Override is lightweight and very fast rolling. The Override helped me nearly produce the same kind of speeds I experience on my road bike on pavement with 700x25 Rubino Pro tires. Performance on a wide range of dry surfaces is excellent. Firm gravel, dry grass, dry single-track are all traveled with speed and confidence. Soft and rutted single-lane gravel roads require focus and skill, but can be covered quickly with sufficient traction. Wet gravel and pavement are acceptably easy to travel if the rider avoids any excessive banking during turns. I avoid wet earth and grass, it's not the right tire for those conditions.
Nice write-up. These were on my short list before I went with the Schwalbe G-ones. Would love to do a comparison between these.
I use the 700x30 Schwalbe S One on my Cyclocross bike, this tire has the same ping-pong-paddle tread patern as the G One, and the same tubeless construction. It measures 32mm wide on a Velocity A23 rim. \n\nthe Hutchinson Override and the Schwalbe are very comparable. Both have a surprising amount of dry-surface traction on gravel and earth. I don't think you could go wrong with either if looking for a fast tire for pavement and moderately maintained gravel paths and roads.
Another +1 for the Compass Barlow Pass. While I haven't ridden this particular tire, I have used both the 44c Snoqualmie Pass (which measured 42mm wide on a 21mm internal rim), and the 35c Bon Jon Pass in the standard casing, both tubeless.
Rode the Snoqualmie's at a local gravel fondo this time last year (Gran Fondo Winthrop) that has some pretty chunky descending. Got a slow leak after a couple hard bottom outs on the rim that sealed up with some added air. I was flat bombing that descent though and the loose baby heads from a recent grading made me pay.
Rode the Bon Jon's at Gravel Worlds, and Rebecca's Private Idaho this year with no tire issues. The broken rim at RPI was another story. Tire was fine though! D'oh!
Ran Panaracer Parimotos (650b x 42c) tubeless all summer with no incidents and only one slow leak flat.
They roll for days and, tubeless, are some of the more supple tires I've ever had the privilege to experience.
2500miles of dirt (not gravel) and thy are now toast.
From my perspective, I'd rock parimotos or clement lgg 32s (with tubes) on pavement all day long. Light, fast, supple... and kind of cheap (compared to Compass). But I weigh 140lbs and can run the lggs at 40psi with tubes.
I came so close to getting some of these, but the reviews on their durability and puncture resistance were horrible Instead of the 650 Parimotos, I ended up with some Schwalbe G-One tires.
chas wrote:I came so close to getting some of these, but the reviews on their durability and puncture resistance were horrible Instead of the 650 Parimotos, I ended up with some Schwalbe G-One tires.
Hey Chas the only experience I have with tires yet are the Clement MSO(non tubeless) 40 MM that came on my Tamland stock. The other tire is the Kenda Flintridge Pro 40 mm tubeless. The Cement's felt a lot faster on the road. The Flintridge feels more bullet proof in the rough stuff. Did the Pony Express 75 with them. I guess I will have to wear both sets of these tires out before I go to the Schwalbe G-one. Have you ridden any of these tires to compare them to the G-One?
When I switch to back to G1s (from my Parimotos) it feels as if I dragging cinder blocks around. They just feel so damn slow. Additionally, I don't feel that the tread offers any real advantage over a true slick. For me, the only real strength of the G1 is durability. They don't quit.
I actually prefer my Terrene Elwoods to the G1s, even on pavement. They don't feel any slower and they are sooooooo supple. But... I only really use G1s or Terrenes for routes that involve significant amounts of true trail. Give me true slicks for pavement or dirt roads!
I was looking for some 650b tires and found the G-One on sale. I was shocked at how dang fast and easy they are to ride at 15mph. Intellectually I know they have the lowest rolling resistance of anything Schwalbe makes, and are even faster than my race tires. Still, to ride a 60mm tire that takes less effort to ride than a 25-28mm tires was surreal for me. The G1 is crazy fast in its speed range. I have it on a slow bike (girlfriends $300 Diamondback mountain bike), so it isn't a 25mph tire, but in the gravel speed range, its amazing. Soft and cushy too, its like having a full suspension bike. At 60mm, I can run 25psi and it is super cush.
On the 700c bike, I use Conti 4-seasons and Maxxis ramblers. They are fast and light - and spin up much easier than the 60mm 500 gram G-One. The G-one is probably a little faster than the ramblers (which are fast tires) and comparable to the 4-seasons (well, the G-one has a little less rolling resistance).
I loved the clements (LAS) I road on an AL warbird...
Vote here for the Compass Bon Joh Extralight. They measure 37.5 on my Stans Avion Pro rims. I can’t imagine a faster tire in this volume. Supple supple supple. I run them on gravel at 27 front and 30 rear, and 45-50 on the road.
